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What's your first thought when you see a manipulation with no credits listed? Just something that personally bugs me. 

48%
339 deviants said Credits are a must at all times for manipulation, even if their own, they should say that
23%
162 deviants said They used their own stock
19%
136 deviants said They didn't credit the rightful owners of the stock
6%
42 deviants said They used non-stock material to make it
3%
22 deviants said Other? Comments please

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:iconwicasawakan:
WicasaWakan Featured By Owner Dec 1, 2009
I'm scared to check my stock account today. I haven't checked it in months. I'm sure I'll find people who have used my stock and haven't credited me or they are selling prints without permission.
I actually think, to be safe, they should always comment where the stock came from. Even if it's your own.
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:iconfrozenstarro:
FrozenStarRo Featured By Owner Dec 4, 2009  Professional Digital Artist
I know what you mean :hug:
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Nirelstock Featured By Owner Nov 10, 2009  Hobbyist Photographer
Well I do first assume that the people forgot to credit the stock (i mean, if its just a little manipulation maybe not (more like a retouch), but if its a detailed manip than i assume that it is unlikely that all the pieces are of their own stock. SO I most of the time ask, or tell them they should add credits (if its obvious it is stock).

There is one artist out there where I really wonder, he is quite known, but there never are any credits. So i am very unsure.
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:iconfrozenstarro:
FrozenStarRo Featured By Owner Nov 25, 2009  Professional Digital Artist
I think I have an idea who that might be :)
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Tabsalee Featured By Owner Nov 10, 2009
I haven't done one for a long time, but what I do so that I can remember is this...
When I save the stock photo from DA if the stockers name is not in the file name I add it when I save the image to my computer. That way when I use it I can see the stockers name right there- example 'modelbytree22byJOEBLOWSTOCK' then when I'm working on the manip I keep a notepad file open and add the stockers name & link to the text file. When I am ready to post the manip I just copy all the credit info from notepad into DA.
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:iconfrozenstarro:
FrozenStarRo Featured By Owner Nov 25, 2009  Professional Digital Artist
It's true, most dA stocks have by_username in the filename when saving. If they don't, I just add it in myself :)
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Iarendiel Featured By Owner Nov 9, 2009  Professional General Artist
If I use my own stock, I don't typically mention it simply because my stock is not for use. I don't want people using my personal stuff, since I am an artist outside of DA, and my page is not a stock page and shouldn't be viewed as such. But if I use other people's stuff, I definitely give them credit for it.
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:iconfrozenstarro:
FrozenStarRo Featured By Owner Nov 25, 2009  Professional Digital Artist
mentioning you used your own resources doesn't mean others will use it. I mean what could they use really? It's not like anyone is gonna hack your computer to take them from your hard drive ^^;
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:iconiarendiel:
Iarendiel Featured By Owner Nov 25, 2009  Professional General Artist
I guess the point I was trying to make is that when someone doesn't credit stock or material from someone else, then it is implied (to me, at least) that the stuff is their own. To actually point out that you are using your own material (which I personally think is ridiculously redundant), says to me that you have something more to offer others, or that you are giving people the opportunity to grab said material and cut it up and use those said materials for their own. Sometimes I think people tend to sweat the small stuff, instead of just enjoying the artwork for what it is. I mean, I guess I'm just baffled people will actually look at a piece of my art, and when they don't see me credit my own material (and I always credit the stuff that belongs to others), say to themselves ("Ugh, I can't believe they worked so hard on this piece and didn't bother to tell me which stuff is actually theirs!") :D
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:iconfrozenstarro:
FrozenStarRo Featured By Owner Dec 4, 2009  Professional Digital Artist
it's not ridiculous, it's being on the safe side.
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:iconiarendiel:
Iarendiel Featured By Owner Dec 4, 2009  Professional General Artist
Obviously, we'll have to agree to disagree. For me, there is no need to 'be on the safe side', if the work is your own. If the work isn't your own, then you should credit the person you got it from.
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:iconbliood-kira:
Bliood-Kira Featured By Owner Nov 9, 2009  Hobbyist General Artist
probably they just forgot from where they tuck the stock XD at least i found a lot of people saying that they forgot from where they tuck the stock cus they where old . i myself when i fisrt come into dA didn't know about this things and i just puted there some manipulated pictured but didn't know the stokers... didn't even knew if they were from dA XD cuz i did the pictures before entering dA and just taken the stock's from casual sites >.> so maybe they just don't know the stokers :P
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:iconfrozenstarro:
FrozenStarRo Featured By Owner Nov 9, 2009  Professional Digital Artist
it's not a crime to forget where the stock is from. But it's polite to say that and maybe if someone recognises it could drop a link to it so you can offer proper credits. Just leaving it blank isn't right.
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:iconbliood-kira:
Bliood-Kira Featured By Owner Nov 9, 2009  Hobbyist General Artist
that shore isn't right ^^
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frendlygost Featured By Owner Nov 9, 2009
some of my art is all my work
that is when I leve it blank
but do get angry when I know the stock privder conserend
I do link back
I do have a stock acc here :icongostknight: and some have downloded but the good ones note me
peace and Love
Alex
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:iconfrozenstarro:
FrozenStarRo Featured By Owner Nov 9, 2009  Professional Digital Artist
I know. Most people have the common courtesy of crediting and notifying. It's usually those who have been around for a while to know how things work around here :)
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:iconorcbruto:
orcbruto Featured By Owner Nov 9, 2009  Hobbyist Artisan Crafter
I really think the person was lazy and forgot to post the credits, or was out of time and jut uploaded the final art... Or even forgot the links to the credits =D
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:iconfrozenstarro:
FrozenStarRo Featured By Owner Nov 9, 2009  Professional Digital Artist
but none of those reasons make it right in any case :)
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:iconorcbruto:
orcbruto Featured By Owner Nov 10, 2009  Hobbyist Artisan Crafter
Oh yes!
But maybe, if its lazyness, the person will put the credits another day =D
Hope die hard :mwahaha:
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:iconelandria:
Elandria Featured By Owner Nov 8, 2009  Professional General Artist
Or they were just too damn lazy. Either to give credit or notify.
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:iconfrozenstarro:
FrozenStarRo Featured By Owner Nov 9, 2009  Professional Digital Artist
hmm... I noticed one using your stock saying credits were gonna be added later but it's been a few days. I did notice you commented on it so I didn't think it was necesarry for me to report it to you.
In any case, I think people should refrain from posting until they can/have time to add the credits too.
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:iconelandria:
Elandria Featured By Owner Nov 9, 2009  Professional General Artist
Yup *cough* I know the one you mean, and I'm still waiting to see the credits added.
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:iconpandablues:
pandablues Featured By Owner Nov 8, 2009
whatever i guess,
if someone wants to know what they used they can ask too
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:iconfrozenstarro:
FrozenStarRo Featured By Owner Nov 9, 2009  Professional Digital Artist
most often they consider that rude and reply accordingly
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pandablues Featured By Owner Nov 9, 2009
people think its rude to ask what they used for the picture??
then they are mighty fragile
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:icontyrantx:
Tyrantx Featured By Owner Nov 8, 2009
Either that it's theirs, they bought it, or they're just idiots. So yeah :/ I still expect credits if it's yours or you bought it, but I understand if someone doesn't in those situations.
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:iconfrozenstarro:
FrozenStarRo Featured By Owner Nov 9, 2009  Professional Digital Artist
:highfive:
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:iconwildrainoficeandfire:
WildRainOfIceAndFire Featured By Owner Nov 8, 2009  Professional Photographer
how about when i see a manipulation of one of my photographs that are not stock? :D
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:iconfrozenstarro:
FrozenStarRo Featured By Owner Nov 9, 2009  Professional Digital Artist
doamne! ti s-a intamplat asa ceva? unii par batuti in cap rau. Mi s-a intamplat si mie sa vad o fotografie si sa vreau sa o folosesc si nu e stock, dar am intrebat intotdeauna fotograful inainte de a lua imaginea asa.
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:iconwildrainoficeandfire:
WildRainOfIceAndFire Featured By Owner Nov 9, 2009  Professional Photographer
gen: [link] :D are noroc ca a facut ceva dragut cu ea.
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Sitara-LeotaStock Featured By Owner Nov 8, 2009
Oh, or if people have lost the stock, they can always ask if anyone recognizes it in their picture description, and often times, people can tell them!
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:iconfrozenstarro:
FrozenStarRo Featured By Owner Nov 9, 2009  Professional Digital Artist
that's true. but some people do leave a blank description and that's not right.
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Sitara-LeotaStock Featured By Owner Nov 19, 2009
No, it's definitely not right. Even if they just use their own stock, leaving it blank is really confusing.
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Sitara-LeotaStock Featured By Owner Nov 8, 2009
It really bugs me when people don't credit (since I'm a stocker myself, I just can't help but think how unfair it is to the stock used, and how annoyed I would be if it were my own). Even if it is their own stock, they should put it down so others will know what's going on. Plus, if it is stock I like, I want to look through the gallery and see the original picture! There is no excuse for not crediting. If you have lost the stock, either work hard to find it again, or don't post your picture.
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:iconfrozenstarro:
FrozenStarRo Featured By Owner Nov 9, 2009  Professional Digital Artist
:highfive: I agree with you completely.
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Destin8x Featured By Owner Nov 8, 2009  Professional Interface Designer
nice to see this result! :-)
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:iconfrozenstarro:
FrozenStarRo Featured By Owner Nov 8, 2009  Professional Digital Artist
what are your thoughts on it Mr. GD? :)
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Destin8x Featured By Owner Nov 8, 2009  Professional Interface Designer
I usually think it's rather unfortunate; but it can happen for some reasons of course.
Anyway, specially a sad thing to see when browsing suggestions; but sometimes paying just that extra little visit to the deviant's profile/account can clear things up. It's just normal some don't pay attention to it, but in general i'm growing quite happy with the amount that does, without having to ask for adding stock-credits.
Hence, :-) on that + on the result of your poll as it stands right now :-)
Good one Andreea! :blowkiss:
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:iconfrozenstarro:
FrozenStarRo Featured By Owner Nov 9, 2009  Professional Digital Artist
I always check for credits. It's become like routine whenever I look at a manip I have to check that. It's precisely why from me you will only receive suggestions that mentions the sources.
But it is a good thing that for the most part people do take 5 seconds to write if and what stocks they used.
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obsidiantears83 Featured By Owner Nov 8, 2009
Either that they havent referenced, or that they use their own resources.. but personally, if i use my own resources, i mention that in the comments...

or they are just bloody lazy...





even if i have temporarly lost the link of a resource, I mention that and come back with it later (I use 2 computers, and I have so many favs that its hard to find the one I am looking for sometimes... Its normally quicker to go home and check my harddrive's stock folder for the stock ref)
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:iconfrozenstarro:
FrozenStarRo Featured By Owner Nov 8, 2009  Professional Digital Artist
I think the same. They should say the stock was theirs at least to clarify for those of us (because I know for certain I'm not the only one) that is reluctant towards manips having no credits listed whatsoever.
And yes, if you do lose a link you can always say you couldn't locate it and perhaps write in the description that if someone recognises it to let you know so you can offer proper credits.
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kayceeus Featured By Owner Nov 8, 2009  Hobbyist Digital Artist
When I see a manip with no credits I assume they used their own photos, but if they did use their own why not state it? Credit needs to be given not only for the stocker but hey I might want to check out the stock myself!! :D
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:iconfrozenstarro:
FrozenStarRo Featured By Owner Nov 8, 2009  Professional Digital Artist
I had that belief back when I first joined dA, only to find myself later accused by people for supporting what seemed to be manips using copyrighted content. That's where my aversion towards manips with no credits comes from :giggle: it happened twice with the news article that's why we've added the rule of having only manips with credits featured, though I often stumble upon great manips with no credits :\
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:iconkayceeus:
kayceeus Featured By Owner Nov 8, 2009  Hobbyist Digital Artist
That's a good rule credit needs to be given where credit's due! :heart:
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EmberRoseArt Featured By Owner Nov 8, 2009
not long ago, I came across a new photomanipulator that didn't credit any stock (and it was recognizable stock from dA stockers) and, on some of her works, she said "if you want me to credit you, tell me." So, basically, she didn't credit; but if by change a stocker came across her work and they noticed their stock being used, the stocker only had to tell her so she would credit them.
I had to talk to that person. I had to explain to her that it does not work this way. That she must credit the stocker, not wait to be asked to do it, and that she must let the stocker know of the use of their stock. Thankfully she listened to me and now she always credits.
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:iconfrozenstarro:
FrozenStarRo Featured By Owner Nov 8, 2009  Professional Digital Artist
:lol: most stockers I know go directly to reporting a piece if they find themselves not notified or credited. I give them a 24 hours notice before going commando on them, but there shouldn't really be any tolerance for it. I mean it's pretty much "do whatever you want with it" as long as I get that simple gesture of common courtesy of having a link back to my page. And just the fact they downloaded the stock implies in itself they acknowledged the stock rules, but rarely do they read them :/
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:iconemberroseart:
EmberRoseArt Featured By Owner Nov 9, 2009
I am one of those :lol: 'though sometimes I'm a good girl and talk to the artist instead.
It is very simple: they can use our stock the way they please with a little courtesy of linking back to our stock and linking us to the work. You don't even need to read the rules to know this, it is common sense. Why is that so difficult for some of them to do?
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:iconfrozenstarro:
FrozenStarRo Featured By Owner Nov 9, 2009  Professional Digital Artist
I know. There's basically the same 2 rules for every stocker out there: credit and notify. Those are the basics and only special circumstances require further reading into the rules for each stocker individually. But credit and notify are such general rules they honestly shouldn't be mention at all, everyone should know that by now.
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penngregory Featured By Owner Nov 8, 2009
Great point to make - one that's totally passed me by! I only ever use my own photos for manipulations, but of course can't assume everyone knows that!! :doh: I may go back and edit some! Thanks for the heads up :)
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:iconfrozenstarro:
FrozenStarRo Featured By Owner Nov 8, 2009  Professional Digital Artist
:lol: I'm actually planning a series. Just curious what others think of the few things that don't seem right around here. Some people do use their own photography they manipulate and don't have to give credits. You just know it's their face on it, like *Pirate-Queen for instance, or *inObrAS for scenes and such. They're just known as photographers and digital artists so it's easy to identify their work of both genres. But then there are those you see doing all the sorts of varied stuff and you get to wonder where their resources come from.
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